Haplogroup Q, Marker M242

Marker M168

M168

The very widely dispersed M168 marker can be traced to a single individual, Eurasian Adam. This African man, who lived some 31,000 to 79,000 years ago, is the common ancestor of every non-African person living today. His descendants migrated out of Africa and became the only lineage to survive away from humanity’s home continent.

Population growth during the Upper Paleolithic era may have spurred the M168 lineage to seek new hunting grounds for the plains animals crucial to their survival. A period of moist and favorable climate had expanded the ranges of such animals at this time, so these nomadic peoples may have simply followed their food source.

Improved tools and rudimentary art appeared during this same epoch, suggesting significant mental and behavioral changes. These shifts may have been spurred by a genetic mutation that gave Eurasian Adam’s descendants a cognitive advantage over other contemporary, but now extinct, human lineages.

Marker M89

M89

Some 90 to 95 percent of all non-Africans are descendants of the second great human migration out of Africa, which is defined by the marker M89.

M89 first appeared 45,000 years ago in Northern Africa or the Middle East. It arose on the original lineage (M168) of Eurasian Adam, and defines a large inland migration of hunters who followed expanding grasslands and plentiful game to the Middle East.

Many people of this lineage remained in the Middle East, but others continued their movement and followed the grasslands through Iran to the vast steppes of Central Asia. Herds of buffalo, antelope, woolly mammoths, and other game probably enticed them to explore new grasslands.

With much of Earth’s water frozen in massive ice sheets, the era’s vast steppes stretched from eastern France to Korea. The grassland hunters of the M89 lineage traveled both east and west along this steppe superhighway and eventually peopled much of the continent.

A group of M89 descendants moved north from the Middle East to Anatolia and the Balkans, trading familiar grasslands for forests and high country. Though their numbers were likely small, genetic traces of their journey are still found today.

Marker M9

M9

Some 40,000 years ago a man in Iran or southern Central Asia was born with a unique genetic marker known as M9, which marked a new lineage diverging from the M89 group. His descendants spent the next 30,000 years populating much of the planet.

Most residents of the Northern Hemisphere trace their roots to this unique individual, and carry his defining marker. Nearly all North Americans and East Asians have the M9 marker, as do most Europeans and many Indians. The haplogroup defined by M9, K, is known as the Eurasian Clan.

This large lineage dispersed gradually. Seasoned hunters followed the herds ever eastward, along a vast belt of Eurasian steppe, until the massive mountain ranges of south central Asia blocked their path.

The Hindu Kush, Tian Shan, and Himalaya, even more formidable during the era’s ice age, divided eastward migrations. These migrations through the Pamir Knot region would subsequently become defined by additional genetic markers.

Marker M45

M45

The marker M45 first appeared about 35,000 to 40,000 years ago in a man who became the common ancestor of most Europeans and nearly all Native Americans. This unique individual was part of the M9 lineage, which was moving to the north of the mountainous Hindu Kush and onto the game-rich steppes of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and southern Siberia.

The M45 lineage survived on these northern steppes even in the frigid Ice Age climate. While big game was plentiful, these resourceful hunters had to adapt their behavior to an increasingly hostile environment. They erected animal skin shelters and sewed weathertight clothing. They also refined the flint heads on their weapons to compensate for the scarcity of obsidian and other materials.

The intelligence that allowed this lineage to adapt and thrive in harsh conditions was critical to human survival in a region where no other hominids are known to have survived.

Marker M242

M242 – Haplogroup Q

Haplogroup Q, defined by marker M242, appeared on the M45 lineage and includes most Native Americans. Its origin lies in Siberia some 15,000 to 20,000 years ago—during the savagely cold climate of that period.

The adaptable descendants of M242 survived by hunting large mammals and inventing cold-weather living techniques still employed by their modern Arctic descendents. They developed new shelters, new types of clothing, and new tools for an increasingly challenging environment.

In the ice-free regions of Siberia these people sat poised to enter a new world. About 15,000 years ago they did just that. With much of Earth’s water locked up in ice sheets, period sea levels were some 350 feet (100 meters) lower than at present. Consequently a land mass called Beringia connected present-day Siberia and Alaska and provided a crossing for the peopling of the Americas.

The genetic data coincide with archaeological evidence for a Beringia crossing that enabled North American settlement only after about 15,000 years ago.

Somehow the progeny of M242 migrated further south through the Americas. Just how they gained passage through the era’s prevalent ice cover is unknown. Some speculate that an ice-free Rocky Mountain corridor allowed safe travel, while others favor a hypothesis of coastal migration.

Whatever their route out of modern Alaska, the descendents of M242 were the first explorers of the New World.

Marker M242-Haplogroup Q

The Entire Migration – not quite

And that’s the whole journey…or what’s known so far.

I wonder, what point in time does my direct line turn back and return to India?

You can explore more off this at the official site.

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79 Responses to “Haplogroup Q, Marker M242”

  1. menon Says:

    I am haplogroup Q too (M242) just like yours. Perhaps we could swap sequences? I am Indian too and a pretty surprise it was for me that I am Q.

  2. Dan Says:

    I am not suprised at all. I am part Native American and mostly white, and I’m R1b1c9. Although, Q seems to be Native American this is not true… Only Q-M3 is native american and you are Q-M242 which is found all over Central Asia and Siberia, and some in Northern Europe (but not so much).

    Congrats!
    Dan!

  3. Alfonso Barrs Says:

    Good day;

    I was looking at your unbroken genetic migration map on the Internet with interest as it related to my haplogroup R migration map. My markers sequence is R1b1 M168> M89> *M9> M45> M207> M173> M343>.

    From M168 to M45 our clan’s migration route was identical. We would have been related 35,000 years ago in Central Asia. While your Q clan migrated east at M45 my R clan migrated west at M45.

    The contrast and relationship is an interesting extension of our clan’s history migration map.

    Regards,
    Al Barrs
    albarrs@wfeca.net
    Greenwood, Florida USA
    ###

  4. Alfonso Barrs Says:

    Reading responses on your Website I see that your say that your are actually R1b1c9. My projection by FTDNA is R1b1b2g1. How does Haplogroup Q fit with R1b1b2g1???

    Al Barrs
    Greenwood, Florida
    USA

  5. Chopi Says:

    Alfonso, That’s actually Dan, the commentor’s, as he say’s above: “I am part Native American and mostly white, and I’m R1b1c9″. Not mine.

    That’s interesting that your clan moved west as mine went east, it’s a fascinating study, makes one wonder doesn’t it, thanks for commenting.

  6. rb Says:

    My father’s family emigrated from India to the Caribbean in the 1800′s. I have been trying to trace his lineage through dna testing without much success. He has also been classified Haplogroup Q, Marker M242. Would it be possible to swap sequences?

  7. Chopi Says:

    Yes that’s fine RB, why don’t you send me his and I’ll send mine in a reply to that email.

  8. Harmon Dow Says:

    Just got the results for my paternal line. Hap group Q, M242. Now, I live in the US, and the curious thing is that I have a male based family genealogy which authoritatively traces back to the 1400s in England. How does that square with that grouping?

    I’m an utter novice, but I think I see that there’s some M242 getting into Scandinavia, and thence, via the Vikings/Norman invasion, into England. Is there any merit to that supposition?

    I do have an Indian woman marrying into my paternal line early on, as a second wife. I need to doublecheck, but I’m pretty certain that I’m descended from the firstborn male of that second wife. She was a Christianized Indian. It makes me wonder if she was pregnant at the marriage – I need to see if I can nail down some dates! Could be that the father was an Indian lad.

  9. Harmon Dow Says:

    If you have any information for me, please email me at harmon, with the @ portion of the message being at mac.com.

  10. Harry Says:

    This is strange. I am Armenian, and as all Armenians who fled Turkey during the genocide, my paternal grandfather ended up in Ethiopia, where both my father and I were born, and my results came out as Haplogroup Q (M242).

  11. William Mc. Says:

    My father and I are both Q M242. Our family has been in America since 1740.
    We traced our family line to the Isle Of Skye in Scotland (Viking / Celtic) prior to coming to the US. Everyone in our family is fair skinned with predominantly blue eyes. We were amazed and fascinated that we originated in Siberia. We were wondering if part of Q 242 turned back west (perhaps hunting big game along the edge of the ice shelves of the time) like a branch of Q M45 did, and migrated to northern / western europe. Are there other people out there with a similar story?

  12. Chopi Says:

    @Harmon, hmm that is curious, but as William mentions to, perhaps a lot of m242 did eventually reach England as well…Seems they reach the Med too via Turkey per Harry above…

    @William, there’s definitely a lot who move back west from Siberia. My assumption is that we (indian m242′s) come from the group that moves west in a southerly direction into what is now Uzbekistan, maybe during the mongol migrations/invasion westward. Then Babur who is direct descendant of Timur and Genghis Khan moves into North India and establishs the 700 yr Mughal Empire, and perhaps that’s how M242 is introduced into India. Take that for whatever it’s worth, I’m no great scholar of this, just find it completely fascinating.

  13. Ragnar Says:

    I’m also Q, and I’m 100 % Norwegian.

  14. elanjykal Says:

    hi,

    I’m looking out for families that fall into the Q1a3(M346+) group.

  15. Kowarz Says:

    Yes , Haplgroups of a person may be difeent from the general population around him- This correlates with the established fact that In-Situ Cultural differentiation happened much later than genetic differenciation. So while somebodys HAplogroup may be Q or R1b, That Individual Can be anywhere in the world – the last 2000 years have seen a lot of cultural changes and a partial homogenizing effect,genetic isolation by bottleneck and founder efects have been undone by our constant need to migrate in search of better opportunities, and our need to mate with exotic women ;) wars , conquest and attrition

  16. DK` Says:

    To Dan’s comment

    The Q-M242 is an Asian marker with some traces fround in Europe but it is exclusivly found in native americans in both South and North America (found 100% in tribes south of Panama). If there are traces found in Europe it only means some simply went west. But this does not make the Viking or European just because they are found there. They are still of Asian origin that happen to mixed in with Eurpeans.

    Similar to Africa “E” Hap found all over the world. Regardless of where it’s found it’s an African marker…. suggesting africans simply migrated everywhere. The southern coast of England has a high distribution of E but this does not make them English just because they are traced there. They still have an african origin.

    However i think any Qm242 (from which the Qm3 dirives from) which is found almost exclusivly in indians, appearing in European is a false premise. There’s really no proof. Sounds like bad genealogy rather then DNA.

  17. Kim Says:

    we are tracing my fathers DNA. We are ( we think) Dutch/French/ British Isle and were surprised to be Haplogroup Q. We are doing futher study to find out if we are Jewish? does anyone else have this possobilty?

  18. Chopi Says:

    Yes there are recorded connections with the Ashkenazi Jews and HaplogroupQ: try this link, lots of articles on it: http://www.google.com/search?q=haplogroup+q+and+ashkenazi+jews

  19. Harmon Says:

    DK – if you are still around – the genealogy I’m relying on is pretty solid, mainly because my father’s family arrived from England in 1637 and stayed in the same place until he became the first to leave, in 1941 as a result of WWII. In fact, the whole town was founded by 3 English families who never left once they got there. So even taking into account some interfamily hanky panky now & then, the odds are still overwhelming that the English connection is right, even if the nominal paternal line is not.

    I’ve pretty much ruled out the pre-marriage pregnancy possibility I mentioned above, by checking on the relevant birth & marriage dates.

    One possibility is that M242 wound up in Europe via the Mongol invasion. Another is that it moved along the northern reaches of Europe into England via various invasions.

  20. elanjykal Says:

    I did mention earlier that I’m looking out for families that fall into the Q1a3(M346+) group. let me give the reason.
    My brother’s result is Q1a3(m346+). Our family belongs to one of those families in Kerala, India that were baptized by St. Thomas. The Surname is Elanjykal or also spelt Elengical, Elenjikkal and other variants but if written in malayalam is all the same. Our tradition says we came to kerala from elsewhere but the location is not clear. some say from madurai and some say from north india. Our family’s patron saint is St.George. I was hoping to find other families in other parts of the country that may throw some light on our ancestory.

  21. elanjykal Says:

    Menon, is your’s Q4 or 5 ?

  22. prod83wt Says:

    Anyone from Q1A3 is invited to join the haplogroup forum at yahoogroups:
    http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/Q1a3-AnthroDNA/?m=0

  23. Q-M242 Says:

    I too can trace my ancestry back to England circa 17th century. Devon area actually. And I’m Q-M242. From what I’ve read, there have been a few genetic waves that have followed the major movement of peoples into the British Isles. Britons/Celts after prehistory. Romans. Vikings. Normans (who were genetically Viking). Commonwealth inflows. The Roman era was the greatest transporter of genes around Europe up until the 20th century. The provisioning of transportation infrastructure, social order, suppression of piracy, etc allowed for the maintenance of extensive int’l trade routes. People and goods flowed mostly freely across the empire. The incorporation of conquered peoples into the empire as “Romans” allowed for men from around the Mediterranean to be included in Roman military activities which included garrisoning out of the way places like what became England. It still doesn’t fully explain how exactly Siberian genes made their way to where my male ancestor left his genetic legacy. But, it provides a possible scenario for genes to leave Asia and move thousands of miles to get to England the quickest way possible. Otherwise the Viking/Norman route seems most likely.

  24. Prod83wt Says:

    Dear Chopi,
    Have you done any further tests? To what level of markers have you tested? It is quite possible that you have further interesting information hidden in your results/potential results.

    cheers

  25. rob Says:

    I just recive my results and i am Q m242, i am mexican and i trace my ancestors til the begining of the 1700′s, everybody was a meztisos, means mixbreed, i am sure i am a native american, i only have a cuestion, the Y dys 19, means something??? i am 14

  26. ArmenianQ Says:

    @ Harry – Do you know what Q you are ( Q1a or Q1b) ? I am half Armenian, from my father’s side, and I had his dna tested and he turned out to be Q (Q1a3). We are the only Q1a3′s so far that I can find. It’s very odd.

  27. Ian Harrison Says:

    I am also a haplogroup Q and a 5th generation Australian. My ancestors for the 10 previous discoverable generations were from the Craven area in North Yorkshire England.

    There is family evidence through ancestroral memoirs that the family were originally from Denmark or elsewhere in Scandinavia.

    It is thought that their entry to Briton was during the Viking invasion and habitation of Yorkshire. many of the townships in the Nth Yorkshire region where the ancestors resided, are old Viking towns and there are many remaining areas, towns and landmarks that retain the original Viking and Scandinavian names. York, Earby etc.

  28. Hari S M242 Says:

    I am a Tamil Iyengar Vadakalai Brahmin guy with ancestry from Thanjavur. Tamil Nadu. I came to know that I have M242 too from the National Genographic Project. My gotra is Kausika/Vishwamitra gotra. I am curious what other guys of my Gotra have in common..I live in San Francisco now..

  29. Joe Says:

    Hi all. Having only minimal information as to my paternal family’s origins (French and Native American as family stories claim, though I suspected Scots-Irish because of our family’s longstanding presence in the Appalachian region of West Virginia and Kentucky), I jumped at the chance to participate in the National Geographic Genedatabase program. The results came back as Haplogroup Q Marker M242. The site offer further testing to confirm this. Is it worth pursuing? What else can it tell me? Thanks anyone who can reply.

  30. prod83wt Says:

    hi Joe,
    if you join the facebook group Q ydna haplogroup project, you will have all answers.
    I have just ordered a new test called Walk-thru-the-Y and am eagerly waiting for the results.

  31. prod83wt Says:

    My Walk-thru-the Y results are in. Will need other Q haplogroup people to test before any connect can be made.
    Please visit the FACEBOOK group “Q ydna haplogroup” to know more. The family of M242 has grown to so many sub-groups. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_Q_(Y-DNA) for more details.

  32. Cecelia Says:

    Hi, My son is Q (dont have exact info in front of me). His paternal side is from India, written records are from St. Thomas, according to oral history , they are Anglo Indians. Can elarjykal and Hari s contact me. Hari S , we live in S. Califronia, Cecelia

  33. Vikram Says:

    Hi, I am Q1a2 from India.

  34. Ariel Says:

    I have Q M242, yet there is nothing in my family that seems connected to the new world as far as Native American. We are Sephardic Jews from North Africa whose ancestry never crossed the Atlantic. Inteersting:)

  35. menon Says:

    To elanjykal

    I am Q13a. Just like yours

  36. menon Says:

    To all

    Dan there seems to be a racist trying to protect European ‘purity’

    And this mutation occured 20000 years back so theres no way anyone can say he or she is Q

  37. menon Says:

    sorry- should be NOt Q

  38. Oz Says:

    Hi,
    I’m also M242 of Haplogroup Q. My ethnic background is Pashtun, and recent developments show that M242 is present in 16.3% of Pashtuns from Afghanistan. It is also found at lower frequencies in India and Pakistan, but as the frequency is higher among Pashtuns, I have a strong feeling it traveled to India and Pakistan via the Pashtun people’s migrations/conquests.

  39. Ari Says:

    I’m also M242. My family are Moroccan Jews of mixed Spephardic origin. They moved to Israel. Nobody ever moved to the Americas in our entire lineage.

  40. John Says:

    I am Q M242 and trace my male ancestry to England. My first American ancestor arrived from England in 1635. His oldest children were born in England. I have compared Y-DNA with other descendants of my 1st American ancestor and they are the same Y-DNA so the Q M242 came from England. I would be interested in comparing results with others who trace their ancestry to England and have the Y-DNA Q. Send we an email at jmwight43@gmail.com.

  41. Reg Says:

    Hello Ari,

    I am Q also with a paternal lineage from Morocco jews. We have a few % Q1b among north africa jews.
    You can join the family tree dna Q project or the ysearch to compare your results and the page on facebook Q ydna haplogroup.
    Q1b is not related to amerindians but rather to middle-east/central asia.

  42. vikram Says:

    Hi Oz,

    Are you Q1a2, have you joined harrappa dna project run by Zack

  43. Ash Says:

    I’m Haplogroup Q……I am a Canadian male of East Indian descent. Konkani Chitrapur Saraswat Brahmin originally from the West coast of India. The only reason I did this DNA test with National Geographic was because I appear Iranian/Middle Eastern/Greek and wanted to see if I was a J2 or R1a or R1b and shared ancestry with one of those regions……ended up being a Q…what a surprise! And I’m none the wiser for the effort. There appears to be very little information on Haplogroup Q other than that it is very widespread and in very small percentages everywhere! Hope to glean more information from this and other sites :)

  44. Reg Says:

    Hello Ash,

    Q haplogroup is found among Saraswat Brahmin, Q1aMH2 and Q1b. There is a study: Saraswat Brahmins haplotypes by Yadav et al.,2010

    Now we have also a study for Iran with some Qs (Q1b and Q1a2) among Khorasan Iranians, Lurs, Azeri and Assyrians, turkmens etc :

    “Ancient Migratory Events in the Middle East: New Clues from the Y-Chromosome Variation of Modern Iranians”
    Viola Grugni et al.

  45. R Paine Says:

    Haplogroup Q is ancient; the ancestral SNP M242 defines it. There have been many newer branches of Q defined since 242. It is true that one branch colonized the Americas but other branches have migrated into India, the Middle East, and Europe.

    I have tested these markers at Ftdna. Kit#19774, Ysearch ID# YX5R3
    M242+ P36.2+ M346+ L57+ L56+ L529+ L528+ L527+ L232+
    M378- M3- M25- L55- L54- L53- L213- L191-

    I will be testing additional relevant markers when they are discovered and become available for testing.

    My ancestry is English with close Y-Dna matches in Scandinavia and distant matches in Central Asia. Our individual migration histories are much more varied than the early statements about Haplogroup Q would indicate.

  46. Chris Pineda Says:

    Just found out my line is Q-M242. We’re from Texas and our oldest y-DNA ancestor was from Zacatecas, Mexico. We’ve been able to trace back to an individual named Gregorio Pinedo, son of Bartolo Pinedo in the early 1800s or late 1700s, and we’re still hoping that the documentary record will help us go back further. Presumably, our line goes back to Spain, and I’ve read that there were one or two Pinedos in this area in the 1600s. While I’ve read that Q-M242 is common in Native Americans, I was also told that my specific line had closer matches to individuals in the middle east. So I’m not sure what to think — whether our paternal line is really native american (which seems possible) or middle eastern.

  47. Dorothy Whiting Says:

    Have the results of my Fathers DNA. He has the Q M242 line which I am told is rare in England. Other markers include S324,M346,S324. M89,M213,M9,P128,M526,M74.

    I would be interested to know how one finds out about others from E. Anglia with similar DNA. If anyone has information I would be grateful.

  48. Kim Dawtry Says:

    Hi, My Dads line is also Q-M242. He is tall, blue eyed and Nordic looking. His matches were in Norway and Iceland and a few people with either Scottish or English ancestry. I recognise a few on here from his familytreedna matches. Now, we know our family history and they were Normans. It appears that in our case, the Q-M242 came from the Vikings. The family we descend from were Barons in England and Lords in Normandy. The places in England were these matches for my Dad are turning up are in areas where they had estates. If Raknes from Nord Trondelag is on here, my Dad matched you on around 32 markers out of 37 . I think the Q in our case must have come from an ancient Siberian tribe.

  49. TN Says:

    My paternal line is Q-M242 and I’m Vietnamese. I would had thought the my paternal line would go down to Southeast Asia, so this was a little surprising.

  50. Kim Dawtry Says:

    It is odd, since posting on here I have gone back and looked at old photos of our family. I have a picture on my fireplace of my aunt and uncle (both Dawtrys) in older age. Their features are not your typical European ones, and they look very similar to the Samai, high cheekbones, wide smiles, small eyes they were also very short! I now remember when my sister was born and looked oriental, everyone was so surprised and it was a bit of a joke in our family. My daughter also looked Chinese when she was born and I notice a lot of the family have these features in infancy. They tend to look more European as they get older. Maybe there is something in it. How bizarre! What a small world we live in.

  51. *~Gipsy~* Says:

    I’m a Q-M242 -> Q-L938+. My family is Portuguese/Spanish Gipsy. My great, great, grandpa left Braga, Portugal in the yearly 1800′s. My family has always been told we are of old Turkish/ Hungarian gipsies that left India. There are many-many Hungarian Gipsies in Spain today. We speak ladino which is a Sephardic Judeo which is odd for Gipsy. But, then and again we follow the law of the land. Be it language or religion. I feel my family picked-up ladino by living in Portugal/Spain or Turkey at one point. Yes, we still have some of our gipsy traditions. Our family has always played an musical instrument. To be gipsy one must have a mixer of lands ->Africa/ Middle Eastern/ Mediterranean/ India/ Asia – for we travel to live. Many blessings my cousins.

  52. Kim Dawtry Says:

    Hello Gipsy, it seems us Qs are a very nomadic people. I found your message really interesting and I think it helps explain how Q came to be found in Scandinavia. Maybe the route they went was through Turkey, Hungary, Poland and then across the water to Sweden and onwards to Norway. It seems there is very little, if any, Q in Denmark and Finland. Blessings to you too.

  53. Joshua Says:

    Hi Q’s,

    I read about Hunnic Q influnce thru the Gotes in Scandinavia. But isn’t it possible that Q appeared in Europe just because some Q’s came along with R’s and I’s to Europe some millenia ago?

    Why so strictly R went westwards and Q went to the east? Nobody then knew about the difference so they went all together R and Q to the east and to the west.

  54. Malayali Christian Says:

    My parents are from South Indian state Kerala and we are Syrian Christians. I just found out that mine is Q-M147. Eager to know if anyone share my marker ?

  55. Kim Says:

    Hi Joshua

    You have a point regarding the arrival of Q in Europe. Someone with the same surname as ours tested and came out as a branch of R, his dna showed a germanic origin with a close match in Toledo Spain, once a Visigothic Capital. It could be way back the ancient tribes were a real mixture of peoples.

  56. Reg Says:

    Hi Kim,

    I think the same than you. The steppic tribes like Huns, Alans or others were a mixture of different populations because they assimilated part of other tribes into their confederation. So some Qs were assimilated into different tribes and were dispersed in Europe and middle east.

  57. champ Says:

    Hi Elanjickal,

    I am also Q M346 like yours and also from a christian family(Syro Malabar) from Kerala,India. I just cant figure why we are Q !!

  58. joshua Says:

    Hi malayali christian, I am a syrian christian’ my son is a q-242. There is ftdna project kerala and one for syrian christians’ you can transfer your results and find some matches there.

    Josh

  59. Hi there Says:

    My father did take a DNA 37 sequence test. And it shows that he also are Haplogroup Q M242. And we are Norwegians :o )

    Jan-Erik

  60. Anglojew Says:

    Hello Gypsy,

    You’ll find you’re actually a Marrano Sephari Jew not a Gypsy (at least on that line of ancestry). After being officially expelled many crypto-Jews who remained pretended to be Gypsies. This is consistent with Ladino and the often Jewish haplotype Q1b.

  61. Anglojew Says:

    Also, to European posters commenting on looking European so being surprised. This haplotype developed 20,000 years ago or 800 generations ago. It’s possible it was before modern races evolved even. It’s been in Europe for at least 40 to 60 generations. Even assuming one an ancestor 1000 years ago was Central Asian its no surprise you don’t look it after so many generations of presumably intermarrying Caucasians.

  62. *~Gipsy~* Says:

    Religion and DNA? Really? “Jewishness,” is a matter of Jewish law, not a biological or a psychological category. What we tech our children at home, they will follow. …In the beginning there was man. So the saying goes. Man follows man since then. Follow+Teach=learn. We are a broken record, repeating.
    -Do this: When there is a person/or more than one around, look directly at them with no thought. Don’t say a word -> Scratch the side of your nose, see how many will follow by doing the same thing.

  63. Baiju painadath Says:

    I AM QM242

  64. Baiju painadath Says:

    me a malayalee syrian christian and my haplogroup is QM242 as tested by ftdna

  65. Robert Says:

    The reason why Q is a mystery is because it makes up majority of the worlds population when its cluster with it’s brothers D, E, and C. The Q Y-chromosomes represents the Phonecians. If you goggle the “Solomon Islands” you will a group of black people with blonde hair and blue eyes that also carry the Q Y-chromosome. The Vikings were black. If you read any dna company articles written about the Vikings, they never mention the Y hapologroup. Almost every time when documentaries are done on things that could easily be put to rest, the critical things are skipped. All the Q’s are decendent from one of the many Canaanite tribes

  66. Reg Says:

    “All the Q’s are decendent from one of the many Canaanite tribes”

    That’s science!
    Even Q (Q1a-MEH2*) has been found for a 4 ky-old Palaeo-Eskimo individual of Saqqaq culture. It’s well known that Eskimo are descendent of a canaaite tribe…

  67. Reg Says:

    Baiju, I am Q1b and I match a syrian christian. Have you joined the Q haplogroup project?

  68. Nick Says:

    Dear Cousins!

    I received my result about a year ago: Q – M242 subtype S324.

    All of your comments are really interesting. For what it’s worth, my story is that my male ancestry is English back to the early 1600′s, at least, being early Quakers living just to the north and east of Bristol. I suspect that my forebears on this line were living in and around Bristol before this but I’m not absolutely sure. Many Bristol Quakers left the City for the countryside to avoid the more extreme punitive behaviour of the City authorities in the mid-1600′s. Some left for N America, of course. Lkely relatives were in Bristol in the 1300′s.

    The area in/around Bristol has been occupied by waves of different immigrant populations over the last two thousand years – from the Roman (and associated) presence onwards. My guess is that my immigrant Q ancestor was a Viking or Norman but it’s only a guess. The DNA tester observed markers common to Scandinavia. It seems that the Q haplogroup is most obvious there along the shores of Sweden and Norway, rather like a thin coastal beard. I have read David Faux’s piece and the idea of Q people forming part of The Men of Aesir is interesting. My wife, who is actually part Swedish (haplogroup T), already had a copy of the Edda at home containing this story. She has put up with my speculations with good humour!

    Christoph Baumer’s book, The Age of the Steppe Warrior, is a fascinating and relevant history of the Altai and surrounding peoples and areas.

    Nick.

  69. Nigel Says:

    Just got my results back today and I’m Q-M242. I have traced my paternal line back to the 18th century in East Yorkshire (where I still reside). I’m white but not at all ‘Scandinavian’ looking – for what it’s worth my skin is olive and I have dark brown eyes. I’m wondering how Qs made it into England. If my looks are anything to go by, reading the above posts, I’d probably plump for Jewish but there’s no evidence of it in the 3 hundred years’ [scant] info we have on my father’s lineage.

  70. Reg Says:

    It seems that Q1b is also found in Tamil Nadu south India among Nadar cast.

  71. Baiju painadath Says:

    Reg,
    Baiju, I am Q1b and I match a syrian christian. Have you joined the Q haplogroup project?
    what should I do?and what it meant for?

  72. Reg Says:

    Baiju,

    The Q yDNA Haplogroup Project is one of the haplogroup Project of Family Tree DNA:
    “As a Haplogroup Project, The Q yDNA Haplogroup Project serves the Genetic Genealogy by:

    Exploring the history of the Haplogroup since its members’ most distant shared ancestor.
    Tracking the geography the Haplogroup and its subclades.
    Examining the age of the Haplogroup and its subclades…”

    There is also a facebook group to contact them: Q yDNA Haplogroup Project

  73. *~Gipsy~* Says:

    To Anglojew;

    My haplogroup is, Q-M346
    L474+, L58+, L933+, L938+, L940+, M242+, M346+, MEH2+,
    L213-, L331-, L527-, L529-, L53-, L936-, L937-, L939-, M265-, M3-, M323-, M378-, P89.1-

    …not Q1b

  74. Sara Beth Says:

    My brother took this test and we also got these results! Which is exciting because the male line in my family is Ashkenazi Jewish, so we weren’t expecting this at all! We like to put our love of rare steak down to all the woohly mammoth hunting business =)

  75. D Shrimpton Says:

    Q – S324 without the downstream S326 marker.
    Has anyone got this? I am lead to believe that the lack of the S326 means that I am not related to the native indian and did not go with most of the Q’s across the Bering Strait. This is one of the reasons that this is an unusual one.

    Would be interested in any thoughts

  76. etadnas Says:

    Amuse myself with finds. I’m also Q242. I agree that 20,000 have made a huge difference on how I how look. Doesn’t matter to me. My x mark is L2a 50,000 years ago. My great grandmother was light skinned blue eyes. Marker from Africa. Again it really doesn’t to me.

  77. Keyo Ghettson Says:

    I did the Geno 2.0 DNA test in 2014. According to the Geno 2.0 test I’m Q-F1161. I transferred my Geno 2.0 test results to Family Tree DNA. According to Family Tree DNA I’m Q1a3. I can trace back my roots 7 generations to a man who was born in Östergötland in Sweden around 250 years ago. I want to come in contact with people that are Q-F1161 (Q1a3) like me.

    Info about Q and Q-F1161: http://www.keyoghettson.com/2014/04/y-dna-haplogroup-q-and-snp-q-f1161.html

    Email: info@keyoghettson.com

  78. Dawn Says:

    My paternal marker is Q-M242 but we have no native americans on that side. My grandfather was from Germany, his father was from Germany, etc. My Y-DNA coming back Q-M242 doesn’t make any sense when we are all of German origin and didn’t come to the U.S. until 1923.

  79. Alice in Q-Land Says:

    My male ancestor have also Q-M242, we live in Central Europe(Slovakia), but origin, we was from Germany, since cca 1680 in Silesia.

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